Group Project Birth

[.GizmO.]

Hi

I wonderd if some people are intrested in a group project.
I think not everybody knows what it is or how it works.
So here a little explanation.
There is 1 car you all going to model and you all show your wip in 1 topic.
I've seen this kinda projects on threedy and I thought maybe some people here would like to do the same kinda thing.
It's good for the beginners. They can learn much from it. (I'm a beginner)

I hope this is a good Idea and I hope people want to spent their time on things like this.

Please tell me what you think of this Idea and maybe you could tell what kind of car you want to be modelled on the project.

Regards,

Gizmo

[katkanna lee]

oh this is really kool ill be with u dude :clown:

[.GizmO.]

Here (http://www.threedy.com/site/forum/showthread.php?t=38336&page=1) is an example of a group project.
I hope this is going to be a succes. :D

[Hitmen]

Jeah it will would be cool :redface:

[andrew]

Very good idea man! I've got an additional idea: We take some people in a group, plan a concept design car, and then every body model anothe part of the car, maby someone model the roof of the self designed concept car and some othe model the hood, or so... :D

[.GizmO.]

Very good idea man! I've got an additional idea: We take some people in a group, plan a concept design car, and then every body model anothe part of the car, maby someone model the roof of the self designed concept car and some othe model the hood, or so... :D

This is also a great idea, maybe we can do both.
1 concept design project and 1 group project.
That would be great.

I think a concept car design is a bit to advanced for beginners.

[.GizmO.]

No other reactions? :o

[bsmmpower]

Hi! Sound good to me. But will it be low or high poly? And how about the modeling style (Box, poly, nurbs) or doesn't that matter?!

[nina25]

hi...

very good idea. I´m beginner too and I very embrace the challenge to assignment of experience. Yeaa, count with me.

(My opinion is, that everone should make own model. Not divid into pieces, you make hood, you make bumper....I think it is very good idea too, but not for beginners, and everybody use different software to make model.)

OK...how will be blueprints? :buttrock:

[Dave_3d]

All good ideas .... :)


BUT ALSO :


There will shortly be an announcement regarding a CG-Cars group animation project.

There is a LOT of preliminary work being done behind the scenes, and CG-Cars will be introducing the Team Leader for this new project, very soon. Expect an announcement in the next few days regarding this new and exciting project. I'm looking forward to it, too :D

Dave

[.GizmO.]

Hi! Sound good to me. But will it be low or high poly? And how about the modeling style (Box, poly, nurbs) or doesn't that matter?!

That doesn't matter. ;)
Just what you can do the best.



I saw no negative reactions yet so I think its a good idea to think about what car we could use for this project.
First of all, what kind of car do you want to model?
Sport car/Clasic car etc.

I would like to model a sport car.
I don't know which one but I preffer to model a modern sport car.

[bsmmpower]

Great idea. It would be helpfull to look how other people handle modeling problems.

We should begin with a "simple" car. I don't mean a Audi TT ;-). But also no Pagani Zonda or something... It must be but a good car for both beginner and experienced users!

[rodderworld]

i see bsmmpower's point. In my opinion the benefit of a group project though is that you can work with others to find solutions to problems. In doing so, it seems like a waste to take a car that:
A) as bsmmpower said is easy (Audi TT)
or
B)is overdone (nissan z, lambo)

If there were decent bps, i don't see a problem taking a zonda because it is deifficult. Although i have no clue how i would model it, in a group scenario, there would be the potential to pool knowledge. The challenge of modelling is diminished working in a group so the model itself must be more challenging.

regards,
rodder

[.GizmO.]

Hmm, lambo/350Z/TT are done too much.
I want to model a orginal model. Not one which is done 1000 times.
Zonda is way to dificult for beginners like me.

[Snecx]

It's gonna be tough for one group of people with so many hands trying to touch a single car. I don't really see the benefit here compared to all the troubles that we might get.

What about making a track? Race track or something. Perhaps when done we can all have nice environment for our cars.

This way work can be easily divided and it is possible to create a large scale scene that would otherwise be impossible if it were to be done by an individual.

Talk about track design, modelling, texturing, rendering, most of the tasks can be easily split to different group.

Just an idea.

[EquiNOX]

Hmm..

Would that make a problem with vareity type of 3d application? i.e. exporting/importing LW to 3ds max or Rhino to C4D, XSI to Modo and etc?

[Snecx]

Maybe keep it in a mesh format that everyone agrees to work with?

Usually a public project like this is gonna be damn tough to be carried out but since they really wanted a public project, we'll see what will come out in the end of the discussion.

[rodderworld]

snecx is right about too many people. No matter how you arrange it, if everyone gets involved, we would surely end up stepping on eachother. Maybe we should divide into teams for a challenge.

regards,
rodder

[.GizmO.]

How you mean to many people?
Every one makes his own car and people help each other.
Don't really see a problem.

[rodderworld]

@gizmo: group help and group projects aren't the same. if someone wants to upload a mesh for help, they can already do it. A group project goes a step further, people model different parts of the car.

I was just thinking about this and thought that maybe the best way to do this would be to have a challenge (ie. tuner challenge2 or some other subject) and have people announce groups (3 or 5, any number really) that they would be working in. after that, they could share a wip thread for their project and declare a winner.

regards,
rodder

[TeeWorks]

hey guys,

so one time again, like dave_3d already posted in this thread, it all will be organized by the CG Cars Team, and we will officialy announce the project as soon as we are ready with the preprocessing.

so please, stay tuned a few more days. ;)

Thanks for your attention!

best regards
TeeWorks

[.GizmO.]

@gizmo: group help and group projects aren't the same. if someone wants to upload a mesh for help, they can already do it. A group project goes a step further, people model different parts of the car.

I was just thinking about this and thought that maybe the best way to do this would be to have a challenge (ie. tuner challenge2 or some other subject) and have people announce groups (3 or 5, any number really) that they would be working in. after that, they could share a wip thread for their project and declare a winner.

regards,
rodder

I didn't mean a group project like every body makes 1 part of it.
I just mean a group help thingy. I just called is as on threedy.
This is something else than the thing that CG team is working on.

[nina25]

I suggest Nissan 350 for Group Project....what´s your meaning?

[mechatronz]

Why did u suggest that?......

[demolisher]

a good idea it has been said before in this forum however if there was a group of 4 people and each and single one of the modelled a seperate part how will they connect it? ur ganna have a car with a nice front but with a shitty back and maybe the polies on the side wont match the polies on the back and that will limit how many people will actually finish it.

but another great idea will be if the forum supllies groups with one car and then tune it up street style. they make the rims and the spolier and there for different people can make different kits within the group, for instance one person might make the front bumper and someone else the sideskirt and the other two can maek the wheels and spoliers or whatever. but starting a car from scratch will be really hard. great idea tho

demolisher

[nina25]

Why did u suggest that?......


cause it´s not too hard and I have not modeled it yet....ideal for beginners

[.GizmO.]

cause it´s not too hard and I have not modeled it yet....ideal for beginners

A 350z is nice but a little bit very overdone.
A car like 300c would be awesome or a M3

[Sotman]

i personally think a m3 is 2 hard 4 beginners.

you should choose a "roundly" car

[bsmmpower]

The Chrysler 300C would be nice! When do we start? Maybe we can allready add some blueprints, reference of the car that we are going to model?!

Maybe add a poll to choose wich car it is going to be?!

[VsQ]

The Cadillac 300C would be nice! When do we start? Maybe we can allready add some blueprints, reference of the car that we are going to model?!

Maybe add a poll to choose wich car it is going to be?!Cadillac or 300C? 300C is made by Chrysler or Dodge (depends about country):D

[bsmmpower]

I mean the Chrysler 300C :-).

I think it's not a very hard car to model? A lot of straigt lines etc. Any other suggestions? Because maybe we can start it soon!?

[.GizmO.]

The only blueprints I could find was one without a top view.
I found it on the-blueprints.com.

[.GizmO.]

*Bump*

Does anyone know where to find a high res 300C Blueprint?

[Sotman]

just found this one:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3470/300ctouringvd6.th.png (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=300ctouringvd6.png)

[bsmmpower]

Thats true. I'll look for a other car. Go to this site (if you dont allready knew it):

http://www.smcars.net/forums/ (scroll down to the blueprints!

Maybe the 1969 Mustang?

[.GizmO.]

Thats true. I'll look for a other car. Go to this site (if you dont allready knew it):

http://www.smcars.net/forums/ (scroll down to the blueprints!

Maybe the 1969 Mustang?

i've done a mustang once.
Went good till I had to do side etc.
Don't really like that car.
I can't find a car that is easy for beginners and fun for better/advanced modelers. Any sugestions?

[bsmmpower]

Thats true, well I will look again :-). Sould be a racecar so everyone could make his own paint for it. And then line them up at a racegrid :-)...

Always wanted to do a drift car! So maybe a "simple" Toyota AE86 Sprinter? Or maybe a other one (cant really find any good blueprints for drift cars). Is that a idea?

Or the Ferrari 355:
http://www.tutorials3d.com/eng/blu_sheet.asp?id=162

[bsmmpower]

Lets do the Nissan 200sx (S13)! I found some high-res blueprints. I think it's a good car for everyone? And everyone can tune it for the drift contest?!

If we choose this car I will upload the blueprints and other stuff I have from this car. I hope we can start soon!-

[andrew]

What about Dodge Viper or Porsche 911? Or Mazda RX7 or RX8?

[bsmmpower]

Are there good blueprints of the Viper and Porsche? For the Rx-8 are allready tutorials. A Mazda RX-7 is a nice car but I think the Nissan 200SX is a easy-er car to model? Like both of them!

So can someone add a poll to choose wich car it will be? There must be good blueprints for it!

[.GizmO.]

Lets do the Nissan 200sx (S13)! I found some high-res blueprints. I think it's a good car for everyone? And everyone can tune it for the drift contest?!

If we choose this car I will upload the blueprints and other stuff I have from this car. I hope we can start soon!-

I like that car. Great for this project.
Post your blueprints as fast as posible, can't wait to start.

[nina25]

I think, Porsche will be good option. I suggest to make public inquiry for select the model. :buttrock:

[bsmmpower]

Ok but wich Porsche? The 911? Old-new? Are there any good (high-res) blueprints?!

[.GizmO.]

I think a porsche is a bit to dificult for beginners as me. And a porsche ain't that tuneable and the Nissan 200sx S15 is.

[bsmmpower]

True! So lets model the Nissan then!?!

Here's the blueprint. I will make it better that the black lines will go away. Maybe I will make a standard scene wich I'll post here so everyone has the start scene!

Blueprint: nissan_200sx.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nissan200sxjy4.jpg) (5000px x 2436px).

Got it also in 8000px wide but I dont know if that is to big to work with!?

[.GizmO.]

True! So lets model the Nissan then!?!

Here's the blueprint. I will make it better that the black lines will go away. Maybe I will make a standard scene wich I'll post here so everyone has the start scene!

Blueprint: nissan_200sx.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nissan200sxjy4.jpg) (5000px x 2436px).

Got it also in 8000px wide but I dont know if that is to big to work with!?

I can remove those black lines and put in in a max file. But thats all. I can't post it on .obj format or something. I think they use other blueprint setup so thats problem nr. 2
The one I post is made in max 8. so max 7 users can't open it. ( I thought it was something like that)

[EDIT]
I've attached the blueprints for the people who use other apps.
Now going to make setup in max.

Link (http://rapidshare.de/files/36977186/Nissan300NX.max.html) to the download file. ;)

[bsmmpower]

Ok perfect! Maybe also remove the inside lines. Easy job in Photoshop. I will do that! And for the scene, everybody must do it himself then. I think everybody can set-up blueprints in their favorite 3d software. Otherwise maybe we or someone else can help!

Cant wait to start. I work the whole week so I hope I have some time in the evenings :-D

[bsmmpower]

Ok fixed the blueprints. I think all of the black lines are gone now. Hope you guys can use it!

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=DF33FE817C96671C

[bsmmpower]

Ok I'll do the kick-off. Just started with the hood. It's a easy shape. I have attached 3 screens. I don't think there is much critic at the moment because there's not much to see :-). I used the chamber tool for the roundings in the middle.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/bsmpower/hood_wire_top.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/bsmpower/hood_wire.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/bsmpower/hood_clay.jpg

[Hitmen]

Then its starts? :eek:

[bsmmpower]

Yes our group project. Everyone is going to model the same car so we can learn from each other :) !

[.GizmO.]

it's it a better idea to make a new topic in beginners section?
Well im going to start now. :D

[bsmmpower]

Thats ok. You begin a new beginner topic?!

[Dave_3d]

No, Guys.

Don't start new topics in the Beginners section.

Please post them here for now.

If you guys can get some more people on board, we will create a little section of the Forum where you can get together and work on this Project.

So ..... over to you guys, show us what you can do ;)

Dave

[.GizmO.]

No, Guys.

Don't start new topics in the Beginners section.

Please post them here for now.

If you guys can get some more people on board, we will create a little section of the Forum where you can get together and work on this Project.

So ..... over to you guys, show us what you can do ;)

Dave

Ok, thanks for warning us.
I've sent a pm to TeeWorks about the section. I hope that it will be here soon. :buttrock:

[Dave_3d]

Get some people together and this new section will be made. We have discussed this ;)

It is down to you guys to show you can organise it ...

Dave

[.GizmO.]

Well, lets start doing that.

Who wants to help me organise stuff for this section, if it will come?
Who wants to help with:
- Setup rules for this section
- Help with group projects
- Help with considering new group projects
- Setup project topics
- Help making refference topics for group project

[Hitmen]

maybe i can help whit considering new group projects :D

[.GizmO.]

Do you have any experience with moderating sections?
If you don't your not the one we're looking for.

Btw, here my first wip of my car.
It shows that im a beginner.

[bsmmpower]

Looks good but pls post some wireframe because we can learn from that!

[Dave_3d]

Whoa ! Guys ;)

Let me be very clear here. This new section would be for this Project only - the one you are discussing in this thread. We have plans for other Projects and you can see we have already launched the Animation Workshop.

What I meant was that if you get the Project described in this thread, where you all want to work on the same car up and running - then it will get a little section of its own that you can all post in.

Of course, that is not to say that any suggestions for Group Projects will be ignored, but let's concentrate on this present suggestion you have put forward in this post.

So Basically, we need for this Project :


The Car you have chosen (200sx) ?
The Start Date
At least a few people who wish to join in - so we need a show of hands here - Who's interested ???
An area where you can post your own thread showing your progress
An area where you can all discuss how you are solving any modelling problems, tips etc.


In return a small section will be created (as outlined above) where you can post your progress. It will be moderated as all the other Forum Sections but basically you guys will set the rules and pace, not us.

How does that sound ?

Dave

[.GizmO.]

So Basically, we need for this Project :

* The Car you have chosen (200sx) ?
* The Start Date
* At least a few people who wish to join in - so we need a show of hands here - Who's interested ???
* An area where you can post your own thread showing your progress
* An area where you can all discuss how you are solving any modelling problems, tips etc.

Thats totaly right.
I offer myself to help on that section with all stuff I told 1 page back.

Looks good but pls post some wireframe because we can learn from that!

Here is my wireframe, I hope it helps people.

[Dave_3d]

OK, then work on this point :

* At least a few people who wish to join in - so we need a show of hands here - Who's interested ???

Get some people on board.

Over to you ....

Dave

[marbl]

Can someone put BP setup here again? :) I am very lazy! :)

[Hitmen]

OK, then work on this point :

* At least a few people who wish to join in - so we need a show of hands here - Who's interested ???

Get some people on board.

Over to you ....

Dave
Im on :buttrock:

[.GizmO.]

Can someone put BP setup here again? :) I am very lazy! :)

I'll make one again if you give me 10 min.
Done! (http://rapidshare.com/files/141344/Nissan_200NX-BP.max.html)
I hope you can open it, cuz it's made in max 9.



@Dave_3d
Do we need to start a topic for every single member? or should we post everything in one channel?

[bsmmpower]

Everything in 1 channel I think. And mostly the wireframe screens and maybe some explaination about how someone did the modeling!?

I'm in also!

[Dave_3d]

I'll draw up some simple guidelines with Gizmo and post them here.

Of course, we will listen to all input.

This section should be for you guys ... a sort of "Peoples Project".

So after we get it setup and running you guys will make the decisions ...

Dave

[.GizmO.]

Everything is done know, we're ready to start.
Good luck and have fun guys!

[martian1]

Im on it. But where can I post my WIPs??

[Dave_3d]

See here :

http://cg-cars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2331

Dave

[mechatronz]

Surely a good idea...But ooks like is a stolen idea.....To me, is a too late clone !

[.GizmO.]

Surely a good idea...But ooks like is a stolen idea.....To me, is a too late clone !

How you mean stolen?
I never said it was my idea, I only wanted to do the same thing at this forum.
So i don't see any problems.

[Dente]

hi guys i am realy realy a novice but if i can help count with me:) :) :)

[fredd3x]

i would like to join, im no elite but i can maybe do some rims or some interior details :clown:

[xxmnmxx]

i would also like to join. im just a beginner.

[tsolina]

i want to join to you, if you have place for me.... i can work on precise small parts, like braking disc, calipers, engine parts, all except BIW!! i'm too slow for BIW..

[P2sta]

Man, i think this thread is probably death ;)

[tsolina]

Man, i think this thread is probably death ;)

i hate VIP threads...

[rus_media]

Completly dead:angry:
But im interested to reborn this thread.
Any 1 join me?

[rodderworld]

@rus: since there wasn't any real group effort at modelling seperate parts, you can create a wip thread and get crits, the different is only moderate. in fact, to compensate for the fact that there'll be less input i'll try to help you but i'm not modelling. this group project is dead once, doesn't bode well for it's staying ability a second time

@tsolina: this isn't a vip thing. at the time where this thread was relevant, anyone could join.

regards,
rodder

[rus_media]

Ok den, no need 2 reborn dis thread, jus wana do smtin like real animation grp work. But need some hard working ppl who wl wrk hard n give some ideas....

[rodderworld]

it's been tried man, meet people and start a group but reincarnating this thread wont' do it.

regards,
rodder

[micemincer]

rus media If U wnt to make an animation then lets do something. U model the race track - I'll drive the car

how about that?


regards.

[rus_media]

Hello micemincer, aprcitng u in ur interst with my idea. Well sonn u will get some info from me n i wl creat a new thread with detail.