Kleeman Cl 60

[younglion]

decided to start a new project so here it is. Need some help with this car, and also if anyone has bigger ref images, thats will be very helpful.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/nananom/clwire1.png
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/nananom/clwire2.png
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/nananom/clsmooth1.png
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/nananom/clsmooth2.png

[younglion]

update time this car is harder to model than i thought. but this is what ive got so far.

[younglion]

i redid some parts of the hood and side panel, but ive still got some bumps on near the light area which i plan to fix on the next update.

[Cayn]

Looks cool. You've got a clean mesh there. Waitin' to see more. :D

[andrew]

great so far, but there are lil bumps around the outer headlight. Maybe you can get rid of em, this is because the mesh is difficult at this area, i think. ;) :buttrock:

[younglion]

thanks for the crits and yea i realized the bumps around the head light, ill fix it by my next update.

[younglion]

some updates, spent too much time on the lights and its still not accurate. but here is my progress.

[C_J_man]

cleeeeeaaaaan

[Allias]

yea, it is very clean so far :buttrock:

[younglion]

thanks for the comments

[Paps]

nice model, u have a bump on the hood over the light

[younglion]

nice model, u have a bump on the hood over the light
ohh snap, you have some good eyes i just noticed it now, thanks.

[C_J_man]

just noticed it too. i didn't realize it either, nice eyes

[gen5]

Nice and clean work younglion, keep it coming =D

[Paps]

yes my eyes are beautifull and very good :p :eek:
just joking :scream:

glad to help ;)

[snakebrazil]

If i could model a car with 1/4 of the details of this car I'd be reeally happy..:D

Really nice ....keep up !!

ps. I'm new here at the forums and modelling ...I have some cars with no interior..=/...hope I get better :D

[younglion]

thanks for the comments, im redoing the front bumper but i decided to try my paint and also setup a studio render, which needs a lot of work. so im open to any ideas and crits. thanks.

[younglion]

update, there are some bumps on the bumper, ill fix those on the next update.

[younglion]

update time crits and comments are welcome.

[younglion]

the only thing i worked on was the lights and nothing else, i noticed the circle things have bumps around them, but i just couldnt resist rendering the car. ohh and i also noticed i spelt kleemann wrong :chinese:

[maksy]

Great progress man 5 stars from me ;)

[younglion]

Great progress man 5 stars from me ;)
thanks for the support :D

[C_J_man]

hey man, thats nice! i like the way you have the renders

[Levente]

nice but the airholes are totally wrong, it shouldnt all the way round check the ref

[younglion]

nice but the airholes are totally wrong, it shouldnt all the way round check the ref
ahh yes i ll get on that then

[C_J_man]

yes definatlety

[younglion]

fixed the bumper (well i like to think ive fixed it), here are some renders and im going to redo the rim cause its not accurate at some places.

[toub]

Very nice and clean modelling! I don't know though if the grille should be overlapping the inner headlights, I've tried to check some references but it's hard to tell. Maybe you have some better ones.

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to see the rest of this!

[younglion]

thanks man but i dont understand the grille overlapping the headlights, can you explaing or show me what you mean? a few updates nothing major.

[Levente]

i see u fixed the gap good job but u still got 1 major problem here, its really blows in ur eye at first seeing just check the headlights it doesnt look like that.:deal:

[younglion]

thanks man, took me a while after i posted it the lights looked weird to me but i could point it out, but ill get right on that.

[DarkHorse]

The sunroof could probably use more width, but that's your personal choice.
I couldn't find any general errors on the hood arches, good job on the precision detail.

[younglion]

thanks for the comments, im still fixing the bumper and the hood as levente mentioned, i decided to model new rims. and the materials need some fixing.

[rodderworld]

it's a nice wheel but there are a lot of bumps. also the mat renders need work.

regards,
rodder

[importdesign]

i luv the rims design :buttrock:

[Levente]

lol rodderworld its funny that u pointed out places where those bumps isnt really noticable, what noticable are these i think

[rodderworld]

@levente: i looked at that area for a while and wasn't sure if that was intentional or not. lol, i guess that's why i'm not the only one who posts c&c

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

still fixing the bumper and there are some bumps on the side panel, which ill fix later, but i modeled the door today, and i also fixed the rims, but i might model new ones.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/nananom/clsmooth21.png

[Checker2k3]

Hm, I do not like your rims. For me your spokes are too wide. Maybe it would be better, if you do some smaller ones.

[lookdown11]

i LOVE this rims ! :buttrock: but please fix the bumps levente and rodder posted :banghead: also nice bodywork

[younglion]

i LOVE this rims ! :buttrock: but please fix the bumps levente and rodder posted :banghead: also nice bodywork
thanks man but can you point out where you see the bumps cause to my eyes:eek: they look fixed.

[dbKenn]

you mind changing your preview to gray instead of that ugly ugly gold color.

[SeSim]

lol! make it pink;P

[lookdown11]

just have a look @ leventes last post ;)

[gen5]

love the rims =D
are you using the lowenhart ldr as reference?

[younglion]

@dbKenn - nope i like the colour just fine
@ sesim - lol.....not my style and not my colour.
@ lookdown11 - well i did and i think they are fixed.
@ gen - no im using these rims
http://www.streetdreams.org/wheels/rims/Maya/MC1/Black

[younglion]

im still modeling this car, there are some errors i still need to fix, surprisingly when i do a clay render i dont see the bumps but when i apply the car paint then i begin to see some errors, but ill fix them and i need to retouch the white paint and glass mats. (large images)

[evolutionn]

nice but dont like this car paint.

[TyPod]

nice but dont like this car paint. It's all based on opinion.

[younglion]

no modeling today just fixed some mesh errors.

[snakebrazil]

This car is Awesome !!!

[younglion]

thanks snakebrazil, ok so im still fixing little things so no serious modeling yet. i need some fresh eye on this project. crits and comments are welcome.

[constantin]

nice progres on this car im a big lover of mercedes my self but those rims just rocks dude if u pls can share the blueprint or the photo with the rims that u modeled i'll apreciated thx.

[younglion]

thanks man, heres a link to some ref im using. and blueprints are below
http://www.dieselstation.com/archive/Mercedes-CL-Class/index.shtml
http://seriouswheels.com/cars/top-2004-Kleeman-CL-60.htm

[constantin]

thanx a lot mate but im interested for the rims references (see picture below of what im talking about). thanx again and keep up the good work ;)

[younglion]

ohh the rims are from this site. thats the only ref i got.
http://www.streetdreams.org/wheels/rims/Maya/MC1/Black

[constantin]

cool :D i like this site verry usefull ;)

[Levente]

fix the arch of the headlight its wrong.:scream:

[younglion]

@ constantin - youre welcome
@ levente - ok ill fix that part.

[nitrox]

Hey younglion , (big updates since the last time i checked!) , looks really nice !:);) , really good , nice details too

[younglion]

thanks nitrox, fixed some errors on the front bumper.

[ericmattison81]

good job young, i see u fixed a lot of the pinching in the front bumper area. Its looking amazing now, keep it up

[younglion]

good job young, i see u fixed a lot of the pinching in the front bumper area. Its looking amazing now, keep it up
thanks man , but there are still some more areas to fix.

[maksy]

This theard should be moved to advanced!!
Nice progress man ;)

[Levente]

the edges are too hard at the headlight arch :scream: always check the ref after u completed a part and reshape it if its wrong

[rodderworld]

dont' know if it's intentional but the gap size isn't looking consistent on the inset piece for the front bumper. sorry, i don't know what the exact word for it is and it may just be pov problem.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

@ levente - thanks i fixed it
@ rodder - i know what you are talking about, ill be working on that today. thanks

[younglion]

more bumper updates.

[petter]

the detail it's comming...keep it up

[nitrox]

I like your render style , very classy 8) , lol , i mean .. i don't know , there is something good about it i don't know what is it ... nice details :)( i would have added the 'thumbs up' emoicon , but i can't find it ;))

[Levente]

nice job on the airhole, but there are again basic issues the sensor is in the wrong place its more to the left above the airhole, plus that edge is softer

[younglion]

@petter & nitrox - thanks for the compliments
@levente - the sensor is not directly above the right vent, i do have to reposition it but not that far. i dont under stand the lines you put on the left side, can you explain that part a bit more?

[younglion]

calipers....there are some bad edges i need to fix but this took me over 5 hrs to model and its still not done, but here are progress screen caps.

[younglion]

more progress, but not finished yet.
wires

[szyszek]

Insane detail on the brake caliper. I've spent some time watching your wireframes just to learn so.. thanks :)

[toub]

Wow, I'm extremely impressed by the level of detailing. The only sad thing about this is that it will take some time before we can see the complete car I guess. Anyways, great work!

[younglion]

thanks guys....@toub i know how you feel man its gonna take a while cause i wanna get it right.peace

[petter]

never posted on this thread because... there's nothing to say.it lets me without words.very good job younglion...

[younglion]

never posted on this thread because... there's nothing to say.it lets me without words.very good job younglion...
thanks petter, this means i have to maintain the quality or work all over the ride:D

[Paps]

ur doing some really good work there younglion :), very detailed calipper, how many polys?

keep up teh good work :buttrock:

[younglion]

well the whole brake system is close to 900,000 when smoothed

[rodderworld]

that should be fun to render, looks nice.

regards,
rodder

[EquiNOX]

Very nice detailed brake caliper *Thumbs up*

[younglion]

@rodder - you dont say, i cant imagine how long it will take.
@equinox - many thanks

[younglion]

just a render

[Pan3sar]

really nice man. couple of crits the tyre bump is blurry and looks strange, and I think you have bumps on the rim - the part with lots of nut holes, near the outer edge. Apart from the wheel the render looks great;)

[rodderworld]

the body looks great in this render, sleek and all. the wheel looks ok but most of it's flaws have been pointed out. also, the wheel mat is a bit lagging behind the progress made on the rest of the project. still, good job.

regards,
roder

[younglion]

thanks, yea i need to work on the rim material some more, and i think im gonna model the sidewall.

[TyPod]

Your avatar looks somewhat similar to your latest render. Did you change the material of the car for your avatar, or the other way around?

[younglion]

Your avatar looks somewhat similar to your latest render. Did you change the material of the car for your avatar, or the other way around?
they are two different cars, my avatar is a pic of my concept car and i also like that camera angle :chinese:

[TyPod]

they are two different cars, my avatar is a pic of my concept car and i also like that camera angle :chinese:

The more I look at it, I can now see a big difference between the two cars. I guess you really like that render angle.

[ceasar]

awesome project younglion really impressed by the level of detailing keep it up man!!!!!!,,,,its awesome;) best of luck

[younglion]

thanks for the comments heres an update.

[rodderworld]

looks pretty good but you need to do something to the tailights. they look dull and lack any depth.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

looks pretty good but you need to do something to the tailights. they look dull and lack any depth.

regards,
rodder
i concur i was trying to find an easier way to do the tail lights but i guess im gonna have to model some things and bump map and so on. thanks

[rodderworld]

no problem, i guess you can't fake depth completely. you might not have to model it all out. just do enough to show that there is some depth (ie. lens and then map what's behind it.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

ill try that, so i just did a little rendering today with a slight photoshop touch up.

[rodderworld]

on the whole, it looks very nice. just a few thoughts. the mesh in the front bumper needs some depth, it looks totally flat. also, the indicator mats on the mirror are fake looking although i think you know that. keep it up, the reason i'm picky of late is 'cuz i like this project.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

actually the mesh is modeled and it has depth, yea the turn signal, i didnt really do anything to it so it looks bad, and the scene need a bit more sunlight and some other stuff to make it look better.

[rodderworld]

ok, my bad on the mesh. i didn't spot anything there so i figured... :banghead: :banghead:

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

some more outdoor test renders, still working on it though.

[petter]

sorry to tell, but the renders are pretty bad...i don't say i'll make them better, but you have to make them very high quality for this very good modeling quality

[Levente]

i dont think thats Vraysun you use or are you? cause it looks strange, anyway use those vraysun tuts i uploaded some days ago:buttrock:

[legolaz]

man, just take a look at your reflections on the side :S

[petter]

check the shadows...are too sharp

[younglion]

@petter - i wouldn't say they are pretty bad but they could be a lot better
@levente - i use maya which doesn't have vray renderer, my scene setup is a sky jpg mapped onto a sphere and a normal spot light as the sun.
@legolaz - yea im aware of the reflections, ill fix them ad also im gonna tweak the paint some more.
im also gonna render this in xsi and see how its gonna look like. thanks.

[legolaz]

the shadows are okay, its a sunny day i guess

[ceetwo]

You have seams down the middle of the car you should look into merging those vertex

[younglion]

thanks, i spent some time modeling the merc logo, fixing the rear bumper and also testing and tweaking some shaders. dont mind the logo in the rear it was just slapped together and looks terrible ill fix that on the next update.

[petter]

1. the exhausts are slapped too...
2. no rubbers on the rear window !!
3. greath rearlights,now...

work, work... this car can be one of the greats, like the one on cg-cars screen logo or even better(down the frontpage, forums,gallery...buttons)

[hunter]

You're modelling is excellent, but your renders could be a lot better.

[X-Ice]

yeaa the last renders are much better than the old ones... now the thailights look good :D

[younglion]

thanks for the comments yea the renders are not on par which is at the moment my achilles heel, so i guess ill have to post some clays until the modeling is done but occasionally sneak in some colour renders. but as for the exhaust i will work on them some more and they are not much different from the original. check the ref pic.
EDIT: @ petter - take a look at the real car it has no rubber on the rear glass

[et_fone_home]

The last time i saw this car, it was very good, come back after a while, it looks awsome, It clean and very nice, but i think the renders are dragging it down abit, the realism in the renders are not up to scratch, it can be improved a bit.

[Joe]

The render on the forest is impressive. Maybe if you rotate the tires on one side (avoiding the visible symmetry)... that way it would be more dificult to know if it's CG or real. The dirt on the tires is really good.

[rodderworld]

@ joe, i think that's a picture (if you mean the last pic posted)

regards,
rodder

[Joe]

@ joe, i think that's a picture (if you mean the last pic posted)

regards,
rodder

Hey, now I feel like a dumb!!!! I was five minutes looking that pic and saying to myself "can't believe it!”.

[younglion]

lol i wish i could pull of renders that were as real as that pic

[ericmattison81]

@ Joe lol thanks man i needed that. I havent laughed all day because of all this work I have but now i feel a lot better lol.

[younglion]

i was fixing some errors today and also tried a new studio setup and this time i used some gi. so heres a render, crits and comments are welcome.

[zylak]

ur model is awesome man, PEEERFECT, just keep working on materials + scene ... i'm sure that will be perfect also

pozdro & good luck

p.s. thanks 4 sharing ur wires ... it's powerfull source of knowledge 4 me/us :)

[younglion]

thanks for the comments, i did some more minor stuff on the car.

[younglion]

testing out some renders

[rodderworld]

looking pretty good. the reflections down the side would be nicer if you could set it up so they came out less jagged. also, the tailight, i'm not sure if the glow/light is correct. it looks just a bit off to me. other than that you're doing a great job.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

tweaked a few materials like the rim and body paint, im still thinking whether to model the interior for this car, should i or not.

[X-Ice]

I'm sure, the last render is best what u done in this thread ;) keep it up!:buttrock:

[rodderworld]

very nice render. you should really do the interior. it would add so much to this model.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

thanks for the comments and i think i will model an interior

[rodderworld]

now i'm happy ;)

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

now i'm happy ;)

regards,
rodder
lol sure no prob

[lookdown11]

agree agree agree :D want to see a nice leather setup :buttrock:

[younglion]

thanks, i did another render and added some ps touch ups to it , i just started blocking out the interior, so hopefully ill update by tomorrow night

[petter]

1.excelent car paint...
2.the scene is too dark
3.work on environement for reflexions

[gen5]

i second what petter said , and i don't really dig the rims

[zylak]

yo ppl

@ petter's post ... i don't think that scene is too dark ... it's quit ballanced, but i'm agree with this: work on environment for reflections

i think that reflections spoil a lot in ur last renders younglion ... if u didn't change anything (i mean reflection stuff) since previous (white paint) renders i think u should work on it 'cuz on white paint it's looks super

i know that's kinda hard 2 make some nice reflections but there's nice tip on michael's q7 thread (http://cg-cars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2366&page=11 post #107) 2 help u get ql reflections on car ... i'm sure u have seen that :) but if not ... it's 3ds max stuff but i'm sure theres all options/tools/etc. similar in maya so u gona make it :)

good luck & pozdro

[rodderworld]

looks good m8. i don't know if it's ps work or something but i'm spotting some strange reflections on the roof. can't wait to see the interior.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

thanks for the tips, but thoise rims are kleemann rims and i like them as for the roof part that reflection is part of an hdr image, but i will work on it. and i think i will hold of on rendering for a while cause i wanna focus on the interior now. but i will still play around with the studio and material setup till i get it right .peace.

[nitrox]

well , modeling is great , that's a sure thing , waiting for the big final hit :)
Amaze us .

--------------------------------=PEACE=-----------------------------------

[Shogunato]

Soooo nice !!
Modeling is perfect ! i love your tail lights !!
Why you don't use car paint phenomena ?

[petter]

ok. i correct myself.
actually, maybe, the direct illumination's not too dark but it is dark where the GI should work...

the final render MUST be outstanding. hope you don't considder this good and give up

[younglion]

thanks for the comments, iam using the mr paint, i just added a sampler info and a black and white ramp to simulate the fresnel effect, yea ill add some gi to my renders and hopefully they will look better, but right now the interior is kinda challenging but ill through it.:D

[Levente]

use vray :D

[rodderworld]

@levente, vray for maya is either just out or coming soon (if i remember correctly)

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

ive heard about it if it comes out i might get it, anyways started working on the inner part of the door

[rodderworld]

mighty fine, can't wait to see more.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

@rodder - your wish is my command :p . more updates this is probably the hardest part of this car so far.

[Tuss4]

hey YoungLion, i plan on starting the interior of my Z and I have a question: when you model the dashboard, do you start with some form of symmetry and then go into details?

[younglion]

hey YoungLion, i plan on starting the interior of my Z and I have a question: when you model the dashboard, do you start with some form of symmetry and then go into details?
yes thats basically how i start, i start with the areas that look identical and make sure those parts are right then i get into the details

[Shogunato]

nothing to say..

keep up the good work !

[rodderworld]

looking good. glad you're listening:clown:

regards,
rodder

[Checker2k3]

Wow, your dashboard looks very nice. Keep it up!

[younglion]

thanks , here are the wires.

[rodderworld]

i can't really point anything out on the wire but in the smoothed clay it looked like you were having bump issues on the back driver side of the gauge pod.

regards,
rodder

[Shogunato]

thanks for the comments, iam using the mr paint, i just added a sampler info and a black and white ramp to simulate the fresnel effect, yea ill add some gi to my renders and hopefully they will look better, but right now the interior is kinda challenging but ill through it.:D

Hi Younglion
I'm stuck with what you said.
I don't really understand where you plug the sampler info and ramp on the mr paint.
What is the advantage with this kind of shader, and do you think you have more control on the reflection/refraction ?

i'm trying to understand
thx

[younglion]

i wrote a simple tut on it here (click) (http://cg-cars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3336)
i think i know whats causing the bump

[Shogunato]

thanks !!!! :buttrock:

[ReyEug]

thanks! i've been modeling the same car but had some trouble getting the shapes right. your wires are a big help for me, now i can see what im doing wrong. thanks a lot. :D

can't wait to see more renders from you ;)

[DarkHorse]

It just occurred to me that the material on the rims looks more for a japanese tuner. And I just can't favor the rims. Have you thought about other brand rims, like lionhart, lowenhart, and brabus?
There's nothing wrong with a kleemann body shell with different brand rims

[younglion]

@ ReyEng - thanks for the compliments, you should take a look at this thread (http://cg-cars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1534&highlight=mercedes) theres where i also got help with the body of this car.
@ DarkHorse - thanks man ill definitely fix the rim colour and for the rims they are all cool.

[ReyEug]

hi, hope you remember this. you posted in my thread at cg arena last feb. saying you were working the same car, looks like you finished first. :scream:

thanks for the link but i've seen the thread already. :D

[lookdown11]

wooh :) nice stuff. greate dash mesh :D check the middle airintakes. they semm to have bumps @ each top corner of this small cuts in the middle.

[younglion]

@ReyEug - yea i remeber your thread.
@lookdown - thanks ill fix those bumps

[younglion]

ok i did some renders overnight, i discovered some bumps on the front bumper. ill be fixing them.

[zylak]

looks fine 4 me :)
car front render looks awesome (headlights & rear reflections r superb), but i think U should work a litle on bg ... IT'S ONLY MINE OPINION, but i don't like black bg. IT'S BORING & lots of ppl make something like that :(

but if U like it it's OK 4 me :)
5* from me :) keep up good working younglion / pozdro

[petter]

the car has a lot of bumps around the rear fender and down the headlights.. that's all i can see, because of your dark scene.
zilak's right... use a more complex environement and more lighting
the reflections makes the carpaint look nice.if the shader doesn't have what to reflect, then it'll won't look so nice...
keep practicing

[Levente]

hey younglion you can do better renders then those. these renders are bad , not enough lightning more then half of the car are too dark cant see shit, the wheels mat look like plastic, :banghead:

[Shogunato]

However i love your Head/tail lights :buttrock:

[younglion]

thanks for the comments yea ill be fixing the bumps and errors so no full renders just clays until i get this car right.

[X-Ice]

I LOVE the renderstyle:buttrock: vey nice thai and headlights:chinese:

Only crit, again:eek: work on the wheels... they doesn't look fit :(

I would prefer more shine.. more metallic, because they are looking like normal lambert with reflections... sry:banghead:

[rodderworld]

i like the idea of the renders (ie. colour, mood etc...) however, the execution could use a bit more work.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

thanks again, im working on the front bumper right now, as for the rendering and materials ex gave me some pointers at sektor so ill be holding of on shaders for a while i realize i need to improve on my modeling a rendering. thanks

[younglion]

ok time for an update, ive been fixing the front bumper and i think it looks better and i also continued on the interior, so here goes, crits and comments are welcome.

[Shogunato]

nice job mate !!
Can't wait to see the next part.

[younglion]

here are the seats

[X-Ice]

very nice:p

[younglion]

thanks xice, this is just s render test, there are some bumps on the rear bumper. I just wanted to experiment with a new studio setup.

[rodderworld]

looks quite good. my only thought is that the reflections along the rear fender could flow just a bit better. it's a matter of personal taste but if you want, i can draw out what i mean.

regards,
rodder

[X-Ice]

oh nice car pain my friend:chinese:

[P2sta]

looks good man, keep working

[younglion]

thanks yea bout the reflections ill fix them but i just wanted some activity in this thread, since i hadn't touched it for a while.

[rodderworld]

i love this car so any activity made me happy. keep it up.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

redstar pointed out an error on the rear bumper so i fixed that and also worked on the wires

[_deus_]

Very clean... This is awesome model. When we can see the renders?

[younglion]

thanks deus , as for renders cant make any promises cause im busy atm so all i gotta say is stay tuned, i fixed some exterior problems esp the seam around the door and side skirt and also some interior progress

[Levente]

nice, but the sidekirt is wrong, its not that flat it have a little twist and curve check ref

[younglion]

nice, but the sidekirt is wrong, its not that flat it have a little twist and curve check ref
well the side skirt is not flat it does have some curve in it, but i can curve it some more

[younglion]

didnt jave a lot of time today im still fixing the rear bumper there are some bumps on the lower part of the bumper

[rodderworld]

looking smoother with each post.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

thanks, did some work on the interior esp the entertainment centre.

[X-Ice]

Well this is modeling with love:love:

[*RedStar*]

I'm curious why this hasnt been moved out of WIP.

[nitrox]

Politics dude , politics . :)

[Levente]

yeah at least it should be moved to advanced:deal:

[gen5]

Politics dude , politics . :)

huh? i don't seem to get what u mean =/

move this to advanced :)

[nitrox]

I was just kidding , but now .......... it doesn't any sense to me either , LOL

[vanhedeN]

This is so beautiful, just love the car. Wish I was this good on interior modelling.

Move this to advanced:eek: :eek:

[Sotman]

Move this to advanced:eek: :eek:

done ;)


btw: great work!

[younglion]

thanks for the comments and moving it to the advanced;)

[rodderworld]

entertainment centre? this wip is an entertainment centre! (oh, that was lame)your progress looks nice. congrats on advanced (at least you aren't blacklisted on this site too)

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

(at least you aren't blacklisted on this site too)
sorry i dont understand

[rodderworld]

i've seen your wips seemed to be perpetually stuck in beginer at sektor...seems the politics ain't working for you there.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

i've seen your wips seemed to be perpetually stuck in beginer at sektor...seems the politics ain't working for you there.

regards,
rodder
well about that i really could careless where my wip was placed as long as im working on it and im happy, but im not saying that i would like it if it was moved up ;)

[younglion]

more updates, i tried another studio render two slightly different set ups but im gonna fix them cause i know whats wrong with them but if you guys have any suggestions that will help me, also been working on the rear seats and some other things.

[rodderworld]

the render with the warmer tones looks better to me. i know it's a silver car but i don't know if the colder tones of the first one does much to draw me in. the only real crit i have is that the rear fender is reflecting as if it's really quite bumpy. don't know if that's a modelling or rendering issue but it undermines how nice this car is.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

its not bumpy i put too many lights in the scene thats why its like that but ill fix it., thanks

[P2sta]

hi, really nice seats and the renders are good, I thnik the warmer one is better ;)

[gen5]

hey younglion, the renders look good, but i like the one with the warmer tone

[younglion]

thanks man, i think im almost done the rear seats...........almost

[rodderworld]

looks very nice. hard to picture sitting in the seats when you see them in clay form but i'm confident they'll look comfortable in the end.

regards,
rodder

[gen5]

btw young, did you use the sculpt poly tool to like soften and smooth the the seats so they look like leather?

[younglion]

thanks again
@ gen no i didnt use that tool, as a matter of fact ive never used it in my life.

[Shogunato]

the warmer one is good..
Very nice interior modeling as always !!

the scultp tool is good but need a lot of poly to works..:confused:

[Masakari987]

It's looking really nice. As for renders, I like the one with the warmer tones. The one with colder tones seems to blend in with the background too much, IMO.

Yeah, the sculpt tool usually works best with NURBS or Sub-Ds. Although, it could work well with a smoothed polygon object, but if it's a smooth proxy, the connection will likely be lost between it and the low poly mesh.

[younglion]

ok so heres another studio test, i think its better, anyways ill be going on vacation for 3 weeks ill be leaving in about 24 hrs.

[Levente]

still lot of work to do there :deal:

[DarkHorse]

If your up to it, add realism to the seats by making creases. You know that leather seats are not 100% smooth. But the modeling is good.

[rodderworld]

the top of the rear fender is much improved, the lower part still could have some more fluid reflections.

regards,
rodder

[petter]

try blurry reflections so the bumps won't be so visible...

it's your camera focusing too much ?

[younglion]

thanks for the comments, ive got some good news and bad news,
bad news - my hard drive just crashed and its going to set me back a bit
good news - i have back ups of my files and documents on a separate drive. so its not a major set back. hopefully ill be able to fix the problem and see if i can retrieve some files.

[rodderworld]

*crosses fingers* hopefully you'll be back up soon.

regards,
rodder

[Levente]

hey young theres a god program which help you restore ur files even if ur hdd is fucked up check this:http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=Restore+my+files

[younglion]

well im working on my old pc and it so slow but at least its better than nothing, heres a studio render test.

[petter]

it like a hard hit when i see more and more people who theyer hard disk crushes.and after all of these, nobody does anything, like making periodically back-ups:banghead:.
not even i:banghead:

now i see better car paint shader. the poblem it's your environement.
try using some HDR maps for setting the material's reflection and then create your own environement.

[rodderworld]

looks good. the reflections flow well in most spots except a few weird areas on the bumper. also the white reflection on the fender is too bright and harsh given how light the render is.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

thanks for the crits, actually this studio is very simple and nothing special, i just used one light with gi active, mainly this render was to see how the materials looked like. But i will try using an hdri or make one and see if i can get better renders.

[Shogunato]

Maybe if you move just a bit your light and reduce the cone angle, the reflection will looks better.
The render is not so bad ;)

[Levente]

that render has nothing to do with studio ,theres just an omni placed behind the car firstly in studio you dont have sharp shadows, just area , you use omni with the intensity like 0,2 max just to light up the dark areas, but not with 200 multiplier, i tried the followin thing: made a hemisphere flip normals put the car in
apply gradient 1 vray light, 2 omni

[younglion]

@ shogunato - thanks man, ill work on that
@ levente - actually its a spot light and the intensity is 35 with a linear decay and i dont use vray i use mental ray, i heard that chaos group was working on a plugin for maya but i have not heard anything yet, but ill try your suggestion. Thanks

[younglion]

wipers are not done yet need to add a few details.

[rodderworld]

i don't know if they'ld survive up-close beauty shots but in the grandd schem of things the wipers look good.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

i don't know if they'ld survive up-close beauty shots but in the grandd schem of things the wipers look good.

regards,
rodder
yea its probably not gonna be too visible in a lot of my renders but its good to have them there.

[rodderworld]

it's the kind of thing that you notice if it isn't there but in a final render doesn't always show off the details. props for taking the time to do it well.

regards,
rodder

[younglion]

thanks for the comments

[SitPoMk]

nice job here!:buttrock:

and very truly said rodder

[younglion]

render update, the first is the touched up version, and the second is the original

[rodderworld]

this is probably your best render yet, the reflections are flowing a fair bit nicer now.

regards,
rodder

[gen5]

QFT like roddersaid;)

[P2sta]

really good work, I only don't like the shadows under the rear of the car ;)

[lookdown11]

hy. looks promising. i´m just not shure about a white car in white studio with wite reflections and a supernova above it. u know what i mean. would love to see some more contrast in the carpaint and a more suiting background.
keept it up :buttrock:

greetz

[UnsteadyTeddy]

The windows and seams don't look too realistic. Need some rubber around them, especially the rear window needs some work. The litle circular bits on the back look very flat, with no highlights. Same with the side skirts. The ' kleeman ' word badge doesnt even look straight :s Your door handle area looks too sharp and doesn't have any highlights. The seam at the front of the door curves around nicely whereas the rear seam on the door curves inwards and outwards. Should it be like this? On the rear bumper, the gap between the bit that sticks out and the diffuser should be bigger.

[Shogunato]

The windows looks too flat and tailLights are too bright..
..but i agree with Rodderworld.

[younglion]

@rodder - thanks man:D

@ lookdown - thanks for the crits well ive seen white on white studio before (link) (http://seriouswheels.com/2008/klm/2008-Le-Mansory-Convertible-based-on-Bentley-Continental-GTC-Front-And-Side-Tilt-1280x960.htm) i was just trying to see if i could pull that off. But i will try some other styles.

@teddy - well actually the cl doesnt have any rubber on the rear glass check the ref image, about the rear diffuser it doesnt stick out that much on the real ride either, i dont know why the badge looks distorted but its straight in the viewports i will probably model a new one. everything else im gonna fix thanks:D

@shogunato - yea cause i used a gradient in ps for that so its flat:p i will fix those

[UnsteadyTeddy]

Even if theres no rubber on the back which you wouldnt be able to see cos the window is glued on it, your seam is still incorrect. Also, why did you post ref of cl600 ??

[younglion]

Even if theres no rubber on the back which you wouldnt be able to see cos the window is glued on it, your seam is still incorrect. Also, why did you post ref of cl600 ??

which seam? the glass or the roof? well the cl60 is the same as the cl 600 just a few differences like the front and rear bumper the side skirts and the kleemann badges on the car.

[younglion]

working on the interior esp the door panel there are some alignment issues and it needs some refinement its not done yet but here is my progress.

[P2sta]

there are some bad looking bumps, but I think you can fix it, maybe post wires ;)

[lookdown11]

nice prgress man !

exept of couple of bumps and strange shapes the baby starts to get complete :D

some rough wires and aa screenshots would be better to lokate mistakes :D

greetz

[younglion]

@p2sta - yea i gotta fix those
@lookdown11 - thanks for pointing them out im gonna be working on them today. some have very rough wires, cause im not done with them yet.

[younglion]

i keep jumping back and forth from the interior to the exterior, i did a render but now i see the front bumper looks bad and im gonna remodel it again, and also the hood and the side fender need some revision. i remodeled the kleemann rims again i think its better now. also put on some new rubber its the hankook ventus sport, im also working on the sidewall now.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/nananom/clfront1.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/nananom/?action=view&current=newrim.jpg

[gen5]

other than that front bumper problem, this is your best render yet:$: