Low Poly Supra

[gpdesigner]

I did this model for a game company who wanted to see my work. Never heard back from them so I guess they didn't like it. This was my first vehicle ever . . . anyway thought I would share it with you all.
I posted a full layout on my website, if you want to see it here is the link:
http://www.graphicproduction.org/3d_gallery/low_poly.html

C&c welcomed
gp

[petter]

this is it.you don't have to be disecouraged... continue your pursuit of perfection :p

you could it use more poligons but if the company said you have to use that number of polyes, i think it's pretty good...

[gpdesigner]

Thanks petter, Yes definately about the poly's, . . . .
If I were do do that car for myself I would use way more poly's, probabaly add tuns more detail but I think the game engine they are useing allows for 5,000 polys per object. Or at least they are saying 5,000 is an optimal count for game play.
If I decide to redo this car I will definately pump up the count . . . :)
gp

[petter]

i know, because same thing happened to me too.the only difference was that i was the one who didn't cooperated with them.i wanted to but i realized that i couldn't do that because of other things(problems)

check this out:
http://cg-cars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4069&page=6
it's still work in progress...:D

[gpdesigner]

yeah . . I guess sometimes you need to increase geometry in order to smooth out parts . . . well I think if you have to go over the limits in poly's for one area you can cut back in others.
The company I was building the model for did online games so the poly count was non negotialble.
Anyway, they blew me off and moved on . . . here I find myself building hy poly cars . . . :D

gp

P.S. nice mesh BTW . . .

[puafia]

Regardless of how many polygons your using the model should resemble the car.

Your model looks like an entirely different car.

[gpdesigner]

Well, I can't argue the fact that something should resemble what you are building but I think my car looks like a supra
http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=toyota+supra+gt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

What about the car doesn't look like a supra?
gp

[DaForce]

Looks pretty cool for the polys used.

But i have to agree it doesnt look all that much like a supra.

The body is too high, and not wide enough, plus the wheels/arches seem too big.
It almost looks like its been cartooned if you know what I mean.
It looks abit porsche like.

Just noticed the side view of your wires look a fair bit like a supra, however it doesnt seem to translate in the 3d views.

It does however still look pretty damn cool, regardless of what its meant to look like :)

[gpdesigner]

Ok . . I will agree that it may not look 100% like a Supra . . .
this is fine, not bad for my first car ever and low poly . . . .
as far as width and height . . well I think you may be wrong cause the images speak for me.
gp

[STi066]

I agree with them that overall shape of your car doesn't look like a supra, the shape is too round and the front bumper (especially the front grill part) should have more hard edges, in other words, define more shape would be much better! I am sure it will look great if you keep working on it!

I like this car since when I was a kid and still like it and don't get me wrong, your car looks good but just not good enough!:p

Remember, a Low Poly car still can have a detailed look ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/adriangail/140916293/

[UnsteadyTeddy]

Anyone who knows what they're looking for in terms of lowpoly is going to close that image straight away simply from the render. The shader is pants (the viewport shot looks much better ), the angle shows hardly any of the car. Most of the defining shapes and lines of the supra are not there. Is this supposed to be stock or your own custom kit ? The texturing is shoddy ( from the headlights it looks as though you've just coloured in a black square ). If you want people to take you seriously then you have to put the effort in. Sorry if im being a bit harsh, take it as a lesson to improve on for the next time.
If you post some clearer wires and some clay renders you are mroe likely to get more accurate feedback on how to improve your modelling.

as far as width and height . . well I think you may be wrong cause the images speak for me.

Your wheels extend way too far down compared to the blueprints!
The modelling looks ok from what i can tell, a lot of wastage but it seems ok. What is your polycount and did yuo have a limit ? The best thing you can do is take another look at this model, remove the wasted tris, texture it nicely and add an interior and it will look twice as good as it does now.

[gpdesigner]

Ok . . a little brused but I can take C&c . . I posted the car fair enough, this is a car forum this is your relm . . .
So this sounds like a challenge to me . . . lets see what you all come up with . . that's my supra, I used 4718 poly's to build it . . .
those who except have to come in under that . . like my daddy use to say . .
Put up. . . . :D

gp

[gpdesigner]

So . . . I slept on the idea last night and in fairness to the guantlet thrown, I will rebuild the Supra in a high poly version, . . . I am going to start a high poly wip thread for it.
I want to see just how good I could make the car . . ( learn ).
gp

[gpdesigner]

* pokes head in, looks around . . . *
Hmmm, thought so . . .
gp

[slice56]

lol dude, dont get all high and mighty.

there are people on this forum that could model cars 20x better/faster in their sleep! If you post on here wanting crits, then don't get pissed and defensive when people actually give you helpful crits, like the height of your car being off etc...

The first thing you should do is let some of the air out of that big head of yours and LISTEN to what people are trying to help you with. We know the polycount you are shooting for is around 5k tris, and you can EASILY get the details/hard edging people are talking about with that polycount. Just take some polys out of the flatter portions of the hood/roof....The polys are there...you just have to find them and learn how to use them wisely.

The model isn't bad for your first low poly car, but it could definitely be a lot better. I hope I wasn't too much of a dick, but yea....

Oh, and just so you know that a supra can look like a supra with 4k triangles, check it out...This was done by a friend of mine that works with me at Rockstar, Scott Smalley. Tell me that doesnt look like a Supra....

[rodderworld]

yo slice, you guyz at rockstar are incredible.

regards,
rodder

[gpdesigner]

lol dude, dont get all high and mighty.

there are people on this forum that could model cars 20x better/faster in their sleep! If you post on here wanting crits, then don't get pissed and defensive when people actually give you helpful crits, like the height of your car being off etc...
The first thing you should do is let some of the air out of that big head of yours and LISTEN to what people are trying to help you with.


Dude, what are you on, I mean on about . . . ?
I am not high and mighty, would have to consider myself a car modeler for that.

C&C is fine but it is phrases like that ^^ that step up the responses.
You want to C&C good, . . . keep the color comentary to null, or stand and take what comes back. . . or keep moving.
gp

[rodderworld]

yo man, calm down (or take canada out of your location;)

regards,
rodder

[slice56]

Dude, what are you on, I mean on about . . . ?
I am not high and mighty, would have to consider myself a car modeler for that.

You seem pretty high and mighty when you ignore people's crits that are trying to help....being an ass will get you NOWHERE in this small industry. Remember, everyone knows everyone ;)

C&C is fine but it is phrases like that ^^ that step up the responses.
You want to C&C good, . . . keep the color comentary to null, or stand and take what comes back. . . or keep moving.
gp

lol believe me, I can take whatever you have "coming back". I just hope you can take what is coming....the next time you post an update on your Supra. If you want us to crit it, by all means we will. Post an update and Ill have pages of crits if you want to be a dick about things. Basically, we are just trying to help you out. And when you come back saying things like:

"lets see what you all come up with . . that's my supra, I used 4718 poly's to build it . . .
those who except have to come in under that . . like my daddy use to say .
Put up. . . . images/smilies/y03.gif"

It makes you look like you think you are better than everyone, when you obviously aren't. Just sit back, take the pain that comes with critiqing and get over it....Im done arguing over this stupidity lol.................

Dave

[slice56]

yo slice, you guyz at rockstar are incredible.

regards,
rodder
Thanks, dude! We have very talented vehicle guys working here :) You can expect to see some amazing stuff soon from Rockstar San Diego!

http://www.rockstargames.com/midnightclubLA/

Dave

[rodderworld]

never been a gamer but i have tons of respect for you guys.

regards,
rodder

[gpdesigner]

....being an ass will get you NOWHERE in this small industry. Remember, everyone knows everyone ;)


Profanity . . dude there is no need for that . . .


lol believe me, I can take whatever you have "coming back".

Oh boy . . . another internet tough guy . . .


I just hope you can take what is coming....the next time you post an update on your Supra. If you want us to crit it, by all means we will.


Now that is classic high and mighty . . with a smack of self importance . . . . . . . what are you speaking for cgcars?

Post an update and Ill have pages of crits if you want to be a dick about things.

More profanity . . . with a touch of vengance which tells me no good advice could ever come from you.


Basically, we are just trying to help you out. And when you come back saying things like:

Speaking for cgcars again I see . . .
You didn't help anything . . you came after the fact calling me names . . .

It makes you look like you think you are better than everyone, when you obviously aren't. Just sit back, take the pain that comes with critiqing and get over it....Im done arguing over this stupidity lol.................

Dave
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I started off by saying I was new . . so I guess I am not better than everyone else, . . . . Seems you are the only one arguing, and I am glad you are finished Dave.
gp

[gpdesigner]

Remember, everyone knows everyone ;)



By the way . . . I am not in your industry so I don't sweat you . . .
gp

[DaForce]

slice56:
Thats a wicked looking lowpoly Supra mate!!!

Lets all just get on with posting more supra images :)

"Make supras, not war" :buttrock:

[slice56]

When I said we will crit the hell out of your car, I wasn't speaking for cg-cars...I was speaking for the very talented people on here that I know will crit your car respectfully and very accurately.

Is it going to be high poly or are you still going low poly?

Dave

[gpdesigner]

slice56:
Thats a wicked looking lowpoly Supra mate!!!

Lets all just get on with posting more supra images :)

"Make supras, not war" :buttrock:

@DaForce, I know the car needs work,
There is plenty of things that could be fixed on it. That wasn't what this was about. C&C is fine, I have given out a few myself, but when I do it I am mindful of what I am reading and I take into consideration what it is that I am looking at and who I am talking to. I don't just show up at a thread and start shooting from the mouth at someone who clearly doesn't have my skill level at curtain things.

This type of attitude comes from being in one place too long, people with thousands of posts and have been on a forum for a few years. These type of people seem to think that the anonymity and randomness of the internet fords them with the right to be rude and abrupt. Well I don't except this from anyone, don't care whom they are,

If someone C&C's, I expect them to back it up . . .

puafia shows up and blurts out:

Regardless of how many polygons your using the model should resemble the car.

Your model looks like an entirely different car.

I responded in kind and asked him what he meant by that . . . he
he hasn't been back yet, which tells me he's not a serious person, what he did was a run by posting.


You posted
The body is too high, and not wide enough, plus the wheels/arches seem too big.
It almost looks like its been cartooned if you know what I mean.
It looks abit porsche like.

I replied to your post with images, to me the images said it wasn't too high or too wide. and if you read my post #9 you will see I replied with respect.


Unsteadteddy's post? . . . well, his post was all over the place, apparently he just clicked on the image and started to critique post . . . talk about pre mature . . . . . omg . . .
He quoted my post to you about the width and height of the car, and you'd think he is going to talk about that (you know because of the quotes) . . instead he starts talking about the wheels . . . ????!!!!!!!
Next he started talking about adding an interior to the car, . . . holyC . . most of his questions could have been answered if he just read the post and clicked on the link provided. . . . . clearly his post isn't meant to be serious either . . . . meanwhile he is telling me what to do if I want people to take me seriously.

Slice56 . . . .
This one here thinks I am just suppose to shut up and take it cause someone with 3000 posts says something is wrong . . ?
Life doesn't work this way . . .

I take my forum interactions seriuosly I belong to quite a few, I am not hard to find, right down to my home address. I didn't come here looking for trouble just came to post some images and learn to car modeling, but if you come with C&C, you better be accurate and serious and leave the tude on the other side of the keyboard.
Or don't, but don't be shocked if I C&C your C&C.

gp

[DaForce]

I think you may have misinterpreted my last post.

Im not jumping you at all dude.

I just want to see more updates/changes/new wips/new supras.. etc.

I have no problems with your replies to me at all.

I agree your car does match the blueprints pretty damn well, but thats only one part of it. There is alot of curve details..and edges..etc.. that you cannot get from blueprints, thats what I think you need to work on.
But that aside I still think its a brilliant first attempt.

Also totally agree with you about peoples posts (not in particular this forum), I am a high poster over at the vray forums.. No.1 actually with almost 7k posts. So I know all about random posts with no follow up.
As you will notice tho, I personally have not been rude nor abrupt ;)

[puafia]

puafia shows up and blurts out:

I responded in kind and asked him what he meant by that . . . he
he hasn't been back yet, which tells me he's not a serious person, what he did was a run by posting.

gp

Ive already said it doesnt look like a supra. Why would I need to say it again? You didnt ask me be be specific or anything of the sort. your actual words were "What about the car doesn't look like a supra?"

Your taking offence when all ive done is made a crit about your car not looking correct. This is what WIP forums are for.....

If your offended, Im sorry. But that was not my intention.

[gpdesigner]

no problems . . . . I am not offended or angry or pissed or anything, just looking at some things that get taken for granted.

Sorry to interupt everyones pleasant stay . . . . I will power down and return to threat level blue . . . pardon me.
gp

[UnsteadyTeddy]

Good.
Shut the door on your way out.
kthx.

[petter]

the car looks strange because according to blueprints, the wires seems to look good but they don't because only edge1 it's correctly arranged. edge2 it's not correctly placed and that's happening to most of edges.
you have to check the all 3 views before placing vertexes.

there are some bad shapes like:
-roof line(should be concave not convex)
-hood side seams area
-front bumper(it looks like an rx8 bumper)
-and some tris and bumps allover

i have nothing to say about all off-topic comments. i'm just leafing a lot:D

[gpdesigner]

Good.
Shut the door on your way out.
kthx.

Oh . . look who is a day late and a dollar short . . . here we go again . . .
hey don't get upset if your post screams deficiency . . . . look at it read it again . . You stomped in . . . now stomp out . . .
gp

[gpdesigner]

Thanks for the C&C Petter, I will check over it tonight or better yet when I start a new vehicle I will be more mindful of the edging.

WOW . . after 4 pages a C&C that is actually useful.
gp

[DaForce]

Not wanting to start anything up here.. but you seem to be abit too "specific" about how C&C should be before you will accept it without slagging off the poster.

This is the net dude, not everyone will fit into your fairly narrow view of what your "ideal" critic will be.

Some of the C&C posted in this thread was valid just because you didnt like the way it was written or its manor doesnt lessen its validity.

[gpdesigner]

Youre absolutely right DaForce, The net brings forth a wide variety of personalities, and with it a wide variety of C&C Styles. This thread did get outta hand pretty fast. It's not that I dismissed the C&C's that came, I agreed with some and dis-agreed with others. no harm no foul, don't I have the right to dis-agree? Surely you can't deny me that . . . .


Some of the C&C posted in this thread was valid just because you didnt like the way it was written or its manor doesnt lessen its validity.

Exactly . . . even you agree some of the posts were valid.
But lets look at that for a second, valid or not, Do you normally speak to people in person this way? (not you specifically, I mean you . . well you know).

Dude . . all this negative energy is draining, . . it's 7:40 in the morning and I'm spent already. Truely, I am not like this in any of the forums I haunt, I am actually a nice guy . . . . :D
Seems they just caught me on a bad day . . . .
Ok . . how do I fix this . . . Ummmm. I'm wrong Pardon me, I didn't call anyone names so I'm good there, I may have insulted a few people but it's an open forum we're suppose to be strong. . . Just kidding
gp

[petter]

i think you should relax...and concetrate on working and posting something.
the same thing for the others:angry:

[gpdesigner]

Youre absolutely right . . I am working on something at the moment . .
not a car but it's 3d . . . I am planning on making vehicles for it eventually, I will post them up when I am finished.
gp

[rodderworld]

good luck. i look forward to seeing your future works.

regards,
rodder

[slice56]

UPDATES ALREADY!!!! :banghead:

:P

[DaForce]

gpdesigner:
All is good now mate, the thread feels less "heavy" more light as it should be :)

Clean slate, fresh start ;)

I too look foward to seeing your future posts.

Stay chilled dude :buttrock:

[gpdesigner]

no problems . . . .
well the Supra is a done project for me . . . I decided to let it go, however . .
here is my current project:
http://cg-cars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4398
gp

[DaForce]

Sweet, will check it out ;)