Lamborghini Diablo SV

[Tonn]

My latest project, I don`t know of any usable blueprints so I´m buliding some spline reference out of pictures.

Please point out the inaccuracies you see.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/1-7.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/2-6.jpg
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[P2sta]

hi man, nice to see you new project, I don't know this car much, so I can't comment if it is accurate, but wich you good luck ;)

P.S. can you use attachment system, my connection is not fast and it tooks really lot of time to load the pictures ;)

[younglion]

the diablo is one of my favourite lambos will be look forward to this project

[Tonn]

Some mesh made, the corners on the front bumper got pulled out quite a lot compared to the splines (were too round).

The curvature of the bottom of the windshiled is wrong, point it out if you find anything else.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/10-1.jpg

[Tonn]

Update

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/11-1.jpg

[Paps]

great work as always man. so this will be another mid-poly model?

[Tonn]

Thanks! Yes, this one might get a high detail interior for cockpitview driving though.

[Reggiani]

Great work Tonn! ;)

[Tonn]

Thanks Reggiani!

Here`s some progress..

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/18-1.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/20-1.jpg

[P2sta]

it looks like really clean work man ;)

[Paps]

yep, very clean, always good to watch your progress

[slice56]

Lookin good :buttrock:

What polycount are you at at the moment? Are you modeling engine details etc?

[Tonn]

Thank you for the comments!

@slice56 - At the moment it`s about 6800 tris for the body and about 3800 per wheel, a total of 22 000 tris. The wheels are quite nasty in terms of poly-budget modeling. I`ll be modeling the interior, engine and boot too, the idea is to try and fit the whole model somewhere around 70 000 tris.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/23-1.jpg

[Reggiani]

Really good model Tonn! :buttrock:

[Domino]

Good work
keep it up :love:

[slice56]

@Tonn

Sounds good man. Looks like you know exactly how to tackle the situation ;)

3800 for individual rims isnt too bad. What about the tire polycount? You can get away with a lot with a nice tire texture without having to spend too many polys.

[sysoverflow]

hey tonn, i didn't know you were also on cgcars.
your Diablo is really nice and smooth!

[Tonn]

Thanks!

Not my usual workflow but I felt like textureing the wheel, I was about to use my other pirelli p6000 textures but they didn`t look good. Since these tires are out of production I felt it was easier to make the texs from scrach than to find some starting-pictures (I know after saying that, the first reply will include a link to some perfect pzero asimmetrico photo-texture material...)

@slice56 - I just closed xsi for the 4th time after some.. errors so I don`t feel like getting the tire count right now... but it`s about 7 polyloops that are35-40 dense... so about 550 tris? some of the edges at the rear are welded into 1 but that saves less than it`s worth as they`re at the most outer edge of the wheel. I think the rim uniting bolts were about 600 tris per wheel.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/25-1.jpg

[Tonn]

Here`s an update, basic shape of the body is now done.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/26-1.jpg

[P2sta]

really clean and nice progress ;)

[Obizzz]

Looking good!

I'd clean out some polies from the flat areas and use them for bevels on the sharp edges but maybe you're already planning to do that?

Nice to see someone that realised that game models don't have to be 3000 tris these days ;)

edit: looked at your previous threads, looks like you know what you're doing, keep it up

[Tonn]

This one isn`t forgotten, at 31 700 tris right now. I hope I have more time to continue at these times.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/33-1.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/32-1.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/31-1.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/30-1.jpg

[younglion]

thought this was dead, nice update

[rodderworld]

i considered telling you not to dig up your own thread... looks nice.

regards,
rodder

[P2sta]

looks cool man, I like it ;)

[Tonn]

I usually get to do modeling on and off so my updates aren`t too constant.

Not much else than the seams cut in and the scoops done but here`s some wires, polyreduction will follow.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/35-1.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/34-1.jpg
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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/40.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/41-1.jpg

[rodderworld]

tons of polies but it looks awesome. i'd want to drive it if i could :d

regards,
rodder

[P2sta]

great work Tonn, really great wire ;)

[Scooter]

wow, looking very nice :cool:

[Tuss4]

awesome work man!

[Tonn]

Thank you kind people!

Here`s an update, the exterior is done modeling-wise.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/42-1.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/45.jpg
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[Dave_3d]

Looks excellent to me. They always do ...

What is your methodology when creating these - do you start with a lower mesh denisty and then increase ?

Dave

[DaveCox]

damn that looks good!

[Tonn]

Looks excellent to me. They always do ...

What is your methodology when creating these - do you start with a lower mesh denisty and then increase ?

Dave

I start with a low poly mesh similar to the high poly base ones, except I don`t cut in details and all creases will be just disconnected edges, then I permanently subdivide the mesh and build from there. The reason for not beveling the edges and cutting in details before subdivision is to save polygons. Only things done before the subdivision step will be the bodypanels (more like a hull, the seams are cut in later) and glass surface.

[younglion]

top notch work Tonn

[P2sta]

yeah man, it looks really great ;)

[Stachu]

model is perfect ;*

[Tonn]

Good to see the model is well received :)

Got the textureing done on the exterior, better pics tomorrow.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/46.jpg

[P2sta]

great work man, really nice ;)

[LG.]

hey Tonn, you have to show us more wires from this masterpiece :love:

[sm@rt]

Got the textureing done on the exterior, better pics tomorrow.

This one looks very nice :) I like car paint. How many tris so far? :)

[Tonn]

@LG. - Do you have a specific place you`d like to see wire from? I thought I had covered most of it on the previous wire pics.

@sm@rt - It`s about 52 000 tris for the whole thing.

Here`s some more pics I promised earlier.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/49.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/48.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x99/Tonn_bucket/47-1.jpg

[lookdown11]

hy.

absolutly awsome work againt!
didn´t read the hole thread ....... is this for some special purpose ?

what about attachmant sys?..............seems like u´re imune against it! :D
is there any reason why u can´t use it ?

greetz

[P2sta]

agree with lookdown, really great ;)

[younglion]

lighting is very impressive

[rodderworld]

@lookdown: i figure the purpose is to show us all that we're inferior modelers when it comes to low-poly :p

awesome work tonn

regards,
rodder

[petter]

dooh... why don;t you take the full version of XSI. stop using demo:banghead:
i know you can;)
:D

[Tonn]

Thanks for the comments!

@lookdown11 - It`s for some games, like all my models. I think I´ll be making one similar car (a ferrari 512 TR perhaps?) aswell and look into animation at some time though.

The weird thing with the attachment system is that it actually doesn`t show the "manage attachments" button, it does on my other PC but not here somewhy... If it is stricty required to use the attachment system I guess I could send pics to other PC and upload from there... bit of an hassle though There`s some other problems aswell with my internet browser but I haven`t figure out how to fix it in years :dead:

@rodderworld - lol, I´m considering trying hi-poly soon so don`t worry.

@petter - I lack excess money. I hate those who use stolen software with passion.

[slice56]

Looks really nice, Tonn. Do you sell these models at all? Turbosquid etc?

You could make some decent money from them, unless they are already for a company (freelance).

Keep it up!

[Oki]

Amazing renders with amazing model, GW:buttrock:

[Tonn]

@slice56 - Well I´ve thought about it but I don´t have commercial xsi nor the licence form Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. Thank you for the comment!

After some time, some fried laptop bits, some XSI issues, some school and some other stuff I have found some time to do some modeling. I still have the door cards to do then I´ll start textureing.

[rodderworld]

looks cool. can't wait to see it textured.

regards,
rodder

[Tonn]

This model is now finally done, I´ll post some more exterior shots later but here`s some of the textured interior.

[STALKER]

great work

[P2sta]

yeah, great for midpoly model ;)

[rodderworld]

looks really good. you're making me like the diablo ;)

regards,
rodder

[Tonn]

Thanks, here`s a couple of exterior shots.

BTW Do you think it is normal that these took about 2.5 hours to render each? I have a crappy old laptop(1.4ghz, 1gb ram) but I still think it takes way too long to render, there`s 3 lights in the scene (3 samples each) and I set the AA at 2.

[DaveCox]

the second render looks really nice! 2.5 hours seems ok to me.

[petter]

the second render looks really nice! 2.5 hours seems ok to me.

it's too much for a render like this unless you didn't set insane quality settings and resolution.

[STALKER]

it's too much for a render like this unless you didn't set insane quality settings and resolution.


on 1,4 ghy machine it's ok...

[daantjuh44]

thats looking awesome !

[petter]

on 1,4 ghy machine it's ok...

ahh..., but of course:D

[P2sta]

looks nice, only I don't like too much that gray reflections on the bottom, maybe make the ground more white, but its personal opinion ;)

[sm@rt]

Really great work here! :buttrock: Both renders looks like you are using hi-poly model. I like both renders, but I think first one will looks better if you add more space to the right and to the left of the car...
About render time: I think it is normal for your laptop. My boring cpu has 1.7 GHz, and I need to spent about some hours for every hi-quality render...

[TwoOneOne]

2,5 h for those renders is really long even for a laptop.

My guess is that you´re using FG with the 3 Area lights and that brings up the rendertimes alot.

When i rendered on my old laptop i didn´t use any FG at all. I composited in an AO Pass and was able to fake the FG shadows quite good this way.
Also the area lights render really slow, so you should limit yourself to maybe one arealight for the main shadow (or stick to sharp shadows from a point light ;) )
Another Problem might be the shape of your studio. If you use a closed sphere the FG calculation might take alot longer compared to an open Studio with an L shaped background and a couple of lightplanes.

Cheers

[Tonn]

The long render times were caused by useing too many area lights as 211 sayed, I took these with only one light and it went considerably quicker. I haven`t tried separate shadow pass yet.

[younglion]

your rendering has improved a lot esp seeing the renders from the bentley, keep it up man :buttrock:

[TwoOneOne]

The long render times were caused by useing too many area lights as 211 sayed, I took these with only one light and it went considerably quicker. I haven`t tried separate shadow pass yet.

good to hear that.
now increase the samples on the one area light, coz that noise hurts my eyes. :clown:

Cheers

[DaveCox]

nice work man looking good!